»Lucrezia Borgia (Holliday Grainger)

. Yes, her story was sad, or at least the writers wanted us to feel utterly sorry for her.

Yes, dear, sorry, you are a Pope's daughter, you can't marry a stable boy or a servant or a peasant - deal with it!

That's the point with her, I think. It's like they want to make her the victim that overopowers her shenanigans at every cost so the audience will root for her. I mean, I doubt the real Giovanni Sforza had the kind of character to rape a woman: he was described as rather "weak" and lacking pation, and rape is caused by raw urges. The worst he did to her were the rumours. One could say it was for the sake of drama and let's agree with that: then, there are inconsistencies with Lucrezia's characterisation this season.

Let's forget that public consummation was not a rare occurence for the time for the sake of argument; even if that storyline made sense (and in my opinion is just another way to show Alfonso's weakness and Lucrezia's influence over Cesare, as well as making her the victim and justifying what happens next with the King), is it really possible that a woman who has suffered rape, has saved Rome from an army of French, had in mind to try and kill her brother ALL OF HER OWN, counting only on HERSELF could whine this much about a thing so minor in comparison to the shenanigas she's already suffered? I mean: she learnt in s1 that she could only count on herself. You can't show her two seasons later complaining for this exact same thing.

I think that's because the writers take this issue from the modern times stnd point. Right, it was not a big deal back and Rodrigo had the most appropriate reaction - well, yeh, if that proves the marriage they should do that. While both Cezare and Lucrezia made a monumantal drama of the issue - it just looks like how people of our times would take that, not people who lived in 15th century Italy.

Firstly, I would like to say that I saw Holliday Grainger in some british TV bits she's done before the Borgias and I think she is quite a talented young actress.

That being said..I liked Lucrezia in S 1 and some bits in S 2. Yes, her story was sad, or at least the writers wanted us to feel utterly sorry for her. The whole sexual violence with Govanni was just horrible to watch. She started out as a kid, young, beautiful, full of hopes and probably living in the fairy tale land. When her husband "proved ungallant" she had to adjust and realize that she can only help herself. And that probably what made her rather firm and self-involved in the later.

I didn't see her much being concerned about anyone in her family actually. Yes, she was upset when Rodrigo banished her mom from her wedding and she was happy when Cezare brought her as a red flag of rebellion against Rodrigo and she sort of saved Juan and everyone from French invasion, but again I didn't see her as a rather concerned sister and daughter.

And when it comes to her personal life it seems everyone should take pity on her. I get that story with Govanni was horrible, but since than she is always making hysterics like she is the forever victim. Rodrigo even gave her the choice to pick her second husband from a range of noble dudes, still she acted like she was terribly wronged, Yes, dear, sorry, you are a Pope's daughter, you can't marry a stable boy or a servant or a peasant - deal with it!

That's the point with her, I think. It's like they want to make her the victim that overopowers her shenanigans at every cost so the audience will root for her. I mean, I doubt the real Giovanni Sforza had the kind of character to rape a woman: he was described as rather "weak" and lacking pation, and rape is caused by raw urges. The worst he did to her were the rumours. One could say it was for the sake of drama and let's agree with that: then, there are inconsistencies with Lucrezia's characterisation this season.

I think that's because the writers take this issue from the modern times stnd point. Right, it was not a big deal back and Rodrigo had the most appropriate reaction - well, yeh, if that proves the marriage they should do that. While both Cezare and Lucrezia made a monumantal drama of the issue - it just looks like how people of our times would take that, not people who lived in 15th century Italy.

As the daughter of the Pope, Lucrezia's marriage was a matter of state, and sex was a symbol, not a pleasure. I think she should have anticipated -as no doubt many women in similar positions of power did- something like that could have been asked of her.

She's beautiful but I've always seen her it in the usual parts: the girl with the face of an angel but goose (Anna Karenina), hateful (Bel Ami), bitch (The Borgias and Great Expectations). Even in Bonnie and Clyde: Dead and Alive I bet she'll recite a part of the genre. Girl, changing type of characters. Or are you not able to?

This is an interesting opinion , I had never really noticed before. Tell me more, please!

I liked her. I think it was one of the best characters. Maybe until the second season?

In the last there was the total ruin. :\ They threw all that good there was her, perhaps - Am I bad if I think this thing? - to please the fandom and make better ratings. She no longer seems scripted by professionals, but but exit out of a fanfiction.

she choose him to be the representative from the family because...well, just because she can.

It was too much grief for Pedro in my view, but in genreal she was smart and rather strong in S2.

I saw it as a decision born out of revenge (she did say she wanted blood for this and I think he meant Cesare's too XD) that somehow turned into resassurance and then into something... sexual? It was like Alfonso had turned into a surrogate for Cesare and the two were having sex again, as Cesare himself said in their last scene together.

Uhh, I'm not a prude at all, but this thought in bald is kind of...uncomfortable.

It was like some kind of erotic game, LOL. Which means Lucrezia is totally all right with having Cesare watch her having sex with somebody else, for all the histerics at the start. XD

The thing that shocks me about this incest is not incest, but how and why it happened. O_O At the beginning of the series - I'm talking about the first season - I was a very supporter, an authentic groupie. #lol

From the last episode of the second season to the first of the third have spent only a few hours. BUT. Two brothers who loved each other very much, but in an absolutely natural way, they looked at one with the other and they have heard such an intense sexual desire to arrive, within a couple of days, to have sex together. It is not really credible, even for the Borgias of the legend: they were lustful, not schizophrenic.