»Juan Borgia (David Oakes)

I hated what they have done with him after he returned from Spain - syphilis, drug-addiction, depression, really? He was just dragged in this misery I guess so that his death would be justified. I'm sad though, really sad for his demise

We all know what happened with him. XD

That move just makes no sense. I mean, he's a bastard himself and he was there with everybody else in that last Norman Rockwell-ish at the end of the first season. It's inconsistent he suddenly has a grudge this big against a child or that he felt the need to erase his existence from earth for Lucrezia's sake, none the less.

It feels they needed a good enough motivation to get Cesare to kill him and look like a douchebag for doing it, to me.

(the actor is not bad on the eye too )

Killing Pedro, yeh, Ok, but he never showed anything against the child up until that moment.

In the end of S2 Juan was weak from disease, wounded in the leg, that night most probably drunk and def on drugs. And Cezare considering all this additionally needed help from his hangman to finish Juan off? 2 against one, who was to add to the list unsuspecting, plus in a weak condition.

I pick him over Francois 1234567890 times.

Another thing that Cesare happened to do in real life, what a coincidence, huh? XD

Also, let's not forget Juan was pouring his heart out to Cesare at that moment. I think it was done on purpose to make Cesare look bad -strinking his brother when he was the most vulnerable. Only at that point everybody hated Juan so much that Cesare ended up looking like the black hero anyway. XD

He is such cutie

But, no, how he could hook up with his dear sis if he did that, right? *sarcasm*
Let it be Juan for the sake of Cezare scoring one...

Speaking of, I like the burial scene with Rodrigo and what he invisioned in his mind as a little Juan. That was one powerful scene, very moving. Kudos to Jeremy Irons

I'm crying. X°D But yeah, even though the historical Lucrezia forgave him both Perotto's and Alfonso's deaths (which where widly attributed to him) this Lucrezia would have had blood from him

Yeah, that was an incredibly moving scene and Little!Juan was such a cute monkey.

Yeh, I'd say think Lucrezia is not very supportive of him and is not really involved in his issues. All the bro/sis moments they had (at least what I remember of them) is Cez consoling her, babysitting her and calming her hysterics. I don't remember a moment when she is concerned about his well-being...

As for bro\sis moments, do you remember Juan and Lucrezia having any before the whole s2 shenanigans? XD

mmm, honestly, not really I do think there were some family boding back-back at the beginning of S1, but Lucrezia is pretty much all about herself, so...but I do think Juan cared for her in a way ( in a normal brotherly way, just to be clear:))) I'm not very attentive viewer though when it comes to this show.

I dare say I liked this version of Juan. In the beginning esp he was rather nice young man, not without faults, but at least he was smiling and jovial and had something very close to real family relationships with his mother, Lucrezia and Rodrigo. I actually could understand his ambition not to let anyone beneath their family status in the family. Being a bastard son he wanted to make for a better future, to erase that fact from his bio somehow. That's understandable.
I hated what they have done with him after he returned from Spain - syphilis, drug-addiction, depression, really? He was just dragged in this misery I guess so that his death would be justified. I'm sad though, really sad for his demise.

the bad guy -hence swinging baby Giovanni on the balcony.

It's inconsistent he suddenly has a grudge this big against a child or that he felt the need to erase his existence from earth for Lucrezia's sake, none the less.
It feels they needed a good enough motivation to get Cesare to kill him and look like a douchebag for doing it, to me.

Also, let's not forget Juan was pouring his heart out to Cesare at that moment. I think it was done on purpose to make Cesare look bad -strinking his brother when he was the most vulnerable. Only at that point everybody hated Juan so much that Cesare ended up looking like the black hero anyway. XD

Yeh, no one liked Juan at that time...except Rodrigo.

Mi ricordo niente del genere onestamente. XD

Yes. Historically speaking I belive Lucrezia suffered for this death. Someone remembers special mentions - the real - Vannozza about Juan's murder?